{"id":485,"date":"2022-12-22T10:27:34","date_gmt":"2022-12-22T17:27:34","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.basilweb.net\/blog\/?p=485"},"modified":"2024-12-30T13:14:39","modified_gmt":"2024-12-30T20:14:39","slug":"lithium-iron-phosphate-battery-install","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.basilweb.net\/blog\/2022\/12\/22\/lithium-iron-phosphate-battery-install\/","title":{"rendered":"Lithium Iron Phosphate Battery Install"},"content":{"rendered":"
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Battery\/bus bar\/inverter<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n

Lithium Iron Phosphate, or LiFe batteries are all the rage. They charge faster and weigh about half as much as their lead acid counterparts. They have bluetooth connectivity to report their status. They have their own Battery Monitoring Software (BMS) to protect them against extreme environmental conditions. They will last you on average 8-10 years. Win-win, right? But they are a bit more fragile. You\u2019re not just going to just let this battery hang out on the tongue of your camper like you would a regular acid lead. Those things are indestructible.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

LiFe batteries need a little bit more tender loving care. They can safely discharge from below zero all the way up to 140 degrees, but can only safely charge over 32 degrees. The BMS constantly monitors parameters such as these and will automatically cut off charging to prevent damage to the battery – damage being extremely shortening its lifespan.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Another not-so-much of a win is the price, although they are starting to become more economically viable. I had a 200ah AGM battery that weighed over 160 pounds that I paid around $400 for verses the same size LiFe battery hovering around $1000.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

We don\u2019t typically camp where it\u2019s cold. By cold, I mean doesn\u2019t reach up into the 50s or 60s during the day. I don\u2019t mind it dipping into the 20s overnight – that\u2019s what the furnace is for. But I don\u2019t want to use a generator, I expect my solar panels to bring my battery back up to full charge during the day, and do that without having to use the furnace during the day. Keeping the windows closed when the outside temps are 50-60s, the RV will get into the 70s inside. If we have to on a day here or there, that\u2019s all right. Our battery is big enough to handle that. But I wouldn\u2019t want to press my luck for a week straight. Besides, I wouldn\u2019t even want to play outside in that kind of weather for that many consecutive days. That\u2019s what we do when we camp – we play outside. Hiking. Biking. Mountain climbing.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

First thing I had to was find a good spot inside<\/em> the RV. My AGM was mounted on the tongue behind the propane tanks. I had created a shelf a few years ago inside a compartment to hold my stainless steel gas grill. I even mounted straps on the shelf in order to secure the grill inside the cubby. I could retrofit that shelf to hold the new LiFe battery instead, in a way that would also utilize the straps intended for the grill. I took off the shelf off the support legs I had built, and dropped the shelf to the floor and secured it to the floor. Battery fits on the shelf, straps wrap around the top of the battery on both left and right sides. I secured a few pieces of wood with screws, essentially framing the base of the battery to prevent it from sliding left\/right or forward\/backward. The two straps will hold it down. This system works really well for keeping that battery in place. Most of our camping is done in National Forests and BLM areas.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Along with this new lithium battery I was installing a battery monitor. Something to track the amp hours coming in and going out. Since the voltage on a lithium battery doesn\u2019t decrease with use, it becomes impossible to use the standard 4-bar battery meter that comes with most RVs. This battery is going to read between 13.3 and 14.1 (a full 4 bars on the standard meter) volts at all times until it is depleted. Those 4-bar meters rely on the voltage drop to determine how much battery life you have left.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Since I was installing a battery monitor and inverter, I figured I better install a heavy duty terminal bar. That battery monitor requires the use of a shunt on the negative side of the battery so that it monitors every last electron. The inverter uses a 4 gauge battery cable. A bus bar just made sense. I ordered a couple of 1\/4 inch thick copper bars, drilled some \u201cH\u201d size holes in them in order to tap a M8 thread to hold a standard M8 bolt that would secure the terminals. Wanting this power distro board to look professional, I also took some fabric and covered some wooden boards that I would eventually mount these copper bars on. 1\/4 inch acrylic sheets were cut down to use as protection agains foreign materials coming into contact with the bus bars. The entire power distro board mounted vertically to the wall of the cubby, inches from the battery.<\/p>\n\n\n

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Bus bar made from wood\/copper bars\/fabric\/acrylic<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n

Results: battery fully charged by the 20 amp Renogy Charger as indicated by the battery itself in the DC Home app. I reset the charge indicator on the Battery Monitor to tell it what this fully charged battery looks like – calibrated. The monitor tells me I am using 1.3 amps at the time, 99 hours of use left from this 200ah battery as long as the RV consumes at a constant rate that it is at that time. That is the fridge, display light of the entertainment center, couple LED lights. It is November, so sunset is at 5:45PM, full dark by 6:30. Furnace kicks in. Battery monitor now shows 7.5 amps being used. The time reaming drops from 99 hours to 26 hours. This battery could run the furnace for 26 hours straight. But we know it won\u2019t happen. The furnace will simply kick on and off all night. Which it does. Thermostat set to 65. Outside temps drop down to 42 degrees overnight.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Sunrise occurs at 6:45am. I\u2019m up at 7 and check on the monitor. 164 amp hours remaining. Percentage is down to 82%. Daytime temps reach as high as 64. Temp inside the RV reaches mid 70s with windows open. By 2PM, the solar panels have managed to charge the battery back up to 100% Battery monitor indicates 100% and 200 amp hours for a minute. Then stays at 100% but drops the amps down to 199 where it stays for the rest of the day. DC Home app indicates battery stays at 100% and 200 amps. Impressive.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Another test involved tracking the temp in the battery compartment as it falls below freezing outside. Overnight temps dropped to 26 degrees. Maintained 65 degrees inside the RV overnight. DC Home app says the battery reported dropping down to 42.3 degrees, which did trigger a \u201cwarning\u201d from the battery\u2019s BMS. Nothing happens from a warning. You wouldn\u2019t even know the alarm tripped unless you are monitoring via the app. The manual for the battery says the BMS will shut off the acceptance of a charge if the battery drops below 32 degrees. Monitoring the temp overnight with my own thermometer, the lowest the compartment reached says 43 degrees. So 28 outside, 55 inside, and still 43 degrees inside the battery compartment. I think this location will work out fine for the battery.<\/p>\n\n\n\n

Over our Thanksgiving week camping trip out to Organ Pipe Cactus National Monument\u2019s Twin Peaks Campground, I installed the Renogy 1000 watt inverter. That\u2019s enough to power our air compressor. We use our mountain bikes during our excursions, resulting in a lot of low pressure and tire popping from cacti. Slimed tubes are a requirement if we don\u2019t want to repair or change out tubes daily. It\u2019s nice to be able to use a bigger air compressor. Eventually, I plan on connecting the inverter directly into the power distro box for the Lance with a rotary switch that will allow me to choose between shore or inverter power. On the shore power side, I replaced the stock converter\/charger with a Progressive Dynamics PD 4600 series lithium battery charger.<\/p>\n\n\n

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Battery monitor installed inside<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n

Links to Installed Equipment<\/strong>
(opens in a new tab at the manufacturer\u2019s website)<\/em>

Renogy 200ah LiFe battery<\/a>
Renogy 4000w peak\/2000w continuous Inverter<\/a>
Renogy 500 amp battery monitor with shunt<\/a>
Renogy Adventurer Li 30 amp PWM charge controller <\/a>
Renogy solar panels<\/a>
Progressive Dynamics PD4655LIV converter\/charger<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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